Bill Johnson Addresses Some of the Controversies Concerning Bethel Church

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Bill Johnson recently addressed some of the points of criticism raised against Bethel Church. We believe it is helpful to talk about them here.

Charismanews.com, a Christian information website, titled the interview “Bill Johnson Answers Hard-Hitting Questions About Bethel Controversies.” The interview is rather lenient, and it seems to be more of an opportunity for Bill Johnson to talk about his new book, “Good is Good,” while clearing Bethel’s name. The interview is conducted by Dr. Michael Brown, who interviewed Benny Hinn concerning controversies. In this interview with Bill Johnson, Michael Brown plainly says that he is keeping the questions short so that Bill Johnson has time to present his book.

In the interview, Michael Brown addresses three topics:

  • Sin and repentance,  which are not dealt with in Bethel Church’s teachings
  • Daughter-in-law Jenn Johnson’s description of the Holy Spirit. Jean Johnson is a pastor at Bethel Church and Bill Johnson’s daughter-in-law. She presents the Holy Spirit in the following manner: “I view the Holy Spirit like the Genie from Aladdin. And he’s blue. And he’s funny, and he’s sneaky.”
  • Grave sucking, which is the practice of soaking up deceased people’s anointing on their grave

Of course, Bethel Church is reproached for many more things, but let’s hear what Bill Johnson has to say on these three topics.

Sin and repentance

Michael Brown calls out Bill Johnson concerning a video in which Eric Johnson, pastor at Bethel and one of Bill Johnson’s son, declares that man is born good — this is clearly heresy.

What about sin, then? In the interview, Bill Johnson answers that sin exists and that repentance is necessary. What his son meant, he says, is that everyone is to be honored since they were created in the image of God.

We can only appreciate the fact that Bill Johnson recognizes that man is sinful and needs repentance. That is good to hear.

In the sermon that led to the controversy, Eric Johnson said this:

“Every government, every structure, every system fundamentally and theologically must start with the concept and the idea that people are good and they mean to do good. Even if they are not saved. We have to start with that premise.”

In the same sermon, he says:

“We have to adjust our perspective of people. We have to realize people are good and they mean to do good.”

Two months later, he talked about it again, visibly due to the criticism received in the wake of the previous sermon. In that sermon he explains that non-believers, atheists even, can do good, even more good that some Christians. He also says that even though one might do all the good they can, they cannot attain righteousness without Jesus. But by confessing Jesus, one obtains righteousness through faith.

However, he makes no mention of repentance.

But if Bill Johnson himself acknowledges man’s need to repent, what then is repentance for him?

Here is what he says about it in his book “The Supernatural Power of a Transformed Mind:”

“Renewing the mind begins with repentance. That is the gateway to retur to our original assignment on earth. Jesus said, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”. To many Christians, repentance refers to having an altar call where people come forward and weep at the altar and get right with God. That is a legitimate expression of repentance, but it’s not what the word repentance means.. “Re” means to go back. “Pent” is like the penthouse, the top floor of a building. Repent, then, means to go back to God’s perspective on reality. And in that perspective there is a renewal, a reformation that affects our intellect, our emotions, and every part of our lives.”

In his book “When Heaven Invades Earth” is found a similar statement:

“The focus of repentance is to change our way of thinking until the presence of His Kingdom fills our consciousness.”

So when Bill Johnson recognizes that man needs to repent, he refers to that.

Thus, his definition leans more toward “seeing with God’s perspective” and/or “changing our thinking so that our conscience is filled with the presence of His Kingdom,” rather than turning from sin and to God.

For they themselves report about us what kind of a reception we had with you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10

We need to realize that we are on the wrong track, in sin, and to get on the right path.

Repentance is vital:

I tell you, no, but unless  you repent, you will all likewise perish. Luke 13:3

The Holy Spirit alone can convict of sin:

And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

John 16:8-11

The Lord Jesus tells us:

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.  John 6:44

But then we need to accept that we are sinners, to ask God for forgiveness, and change our behavior; not “fill our consciousness with the Kingdom of God.” The apostle Paul wrote:

but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance. Acts 26:20

Here’s a very good article on repentance according to Bill Johnson.

Jenn Johnson’s description of the Holy Spirit

In this video and in that one available on YouTube, Jenn Johnson describes the Holy Spirit. She presents him as such:

“The Holy Spirit to me is like the genie from Aladdin, and he’s blue, and he’s funny – and he’s sneaky […] “

Notice how she uses the adjective “sneaky,” which comes from “snake.” This is particularly shocking. Jenn Johnson made that description multiple times (at least twice in the first video, and yet another time in the second video).

We encourage you to watch the first video (1 min 26 sec). Her attitude is particularly telling.

What does Bill Johnson have to say about it?

He explains that he wouldn’t use these terms himself, and that these statements were made a long time ago. He adds that he talked about it with her and that they solved the issue. Good!

It is sad and puzzling that those videos are still on YouTube. The second clip was posted by Bethel itself, thus they can delete it whenever they want and should do it.

Grave Sucking / Mantle Grabbing

In response to accusations, Kris Vallotton had already posted a text on the topic on Facebook. The text is contradictory, as Kris Vallotton first says that he had never heard about grave sucking until a few months prior. But further down the article, he writes that it was a running joke at Bethel. As for the rest, the position that he adopts in the article is correct in that he rebukes the idea that one could receive the anointing of a deceased person by laying on their grave.

Granted this is just a joke, it doesn’t change the fact that by not communicating about it clearly, the practice misleads many. It is a bad joke, to say the least.

In the interview by Michael Brown, Bill Johnson confirms that Bethel Church does not teach people to seek anointing on deceased people’s graves, which is good to hear.

However, he does say that God told him to honor those that he considers great men of the faith, and that if we honor them, then God can release the same anointing again. He said this in the past already, and it is the reason why he is building a library museum with artifacts from past revivals, such as items that belong to Kathryn Kuhlman. God told him that he would then receive their anointing. Bill Johnson is thus expecting to receive the anointing of the people that will be honored in his museum. Thus there is no laying on graves, but we can’t help seeing the similarities.

Bill Johnson also wrote this is his book “Physics of Heaven” :

“There are anointings, mantles, revelations and mysteries that have lain unclaimed, literally where they were left, because the generation that walked in them never passed them on. I believe it’s possible for us to recover realms of anointing, realms of insight, realms of God that have been untended for decades simply by choosing to reclaim them and perpetuate them for future generations.” (Davis, 2012) Physics of Heaven – Bill Johnson

Hence, Bill Johnson teaches that anointings are unique and can be passed on. It is possible to get a hold of them where they have been left (and thus, where would that be, other than where the person who had that anointing died?)

What should we think of this statement by Cal Pierce (previously involved in Bethel and founder of the Healing Rooms)

“It was July 22, 1999 when we re-dug the wells of healing and opened up Healing Rooms in Spokane, Washington. The healing wells of John G. Lake had been waiting to be re-dug since 1935 when he passed away. I knew for this work to be available to the whole body of Christ, the focus must come off of a man, John G. Lake, and onto the Holy Spirit.”

Further down, Cal Pierce writes:

“Where the Holy Spirit is, His anointing is available to every believer.”

It is thus to be understood that the anointing is available at a specific location. Cal Pierce explains that he went and prayed on John G. Lake’s grave every month for a year until the Lord told him that he was to open a healing room at the very place where John G. Lake had his ministry. Ironically, Pierce ran a healing room in what he believed was Lake’s home, and several years later found out that Lake’s house had been torn down and rebuilt a long time prior. Thus it was the same location, but not the same house.

Once again we read about the concept of anointings that are bound to a specific person and can be passed on. Anointings seem to rest where the person was, and it is necessary to start from there before taking it further.

What the Bible says about anointing

It is a vast topic. Nevertheless, a distinction exists between what is said about it in the Old Testament and in the New Testament.

Anointing consists in pouring oil on a person or an item. In some cases, that anointing was accompanied with divine power.

In the Old Testament, anointing was reserved for high priests, kings, and some prophets, as well as leprous people.

Biblical references: Exodus 30:25-33; 1 Samuel 10:1; and 1 King 1:39; 1 King 19:16; Leviticus 14:17.

When a king died, his successor would be anointed by a high priest or a prophet. In the case of David, however, he was anointed while Saul was still alive.

Some artefacts were also consecrated in the same manner. This is no longer to be done under the New Covenant, yet some still do it.

In the New Testament, following Pentecost, the anointing of the Holy Spirit was made available to all born-again believers.

“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know.”  1 John 2:20

“As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.”   1 John 2:27

Then, there are gifts of the Holy Spirit, which are different for each believer:

“Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.”  Romans 12:6-8

“Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.” 1 Corinthians 12:4-11

Is grave sucking something that is really practice, or is it just a joke?

Grave sucking is in fact not a joke.

For example, Benny Hinn (who topped the list of the “friends of Bethel” on Bethel’s old website) stated that he regularly visited Kathryn Kuhlman’s grave and that he feels a special anointing when there.

John Crowder, a friend of the Johnson family, openly teaches this practice. He welcomes many Bethel students in his courses. See this video of John Crowder .

Moreover, several charistmatic magazines condemned the practice:

Other resources :

These practices are happening.

Does Bethel teach that practice?

A diversity of examples of Bethel teachings indicate that they consider that:

  • There exist special anointings;
  • Those anointings can be passed on from one person to another, as well as  (or exclusively?) after death;
  • One can “pick up” those anointings where they have been left;
  • One can “pick up” those anointings by honoring those who carried them before (could that potentially be idolatry?). This tends to remind us of veneration of saints.

From there, seeking to receive anointings on graves is not that great a stretch.

Bill Johnson may not do it, but his wife, leaders from his church, and students seem ready to engage with it.

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26 October 2016 admin News 17 Comments

17 Comments

  1. Anonymous

    January 20, 2018

    You are sad. You need to get filled with the Holy Spirit so you can have true discernment.

    • admin author

      January 20, 2018

      Hi Anonymous,
      Your comment doesn’t help. Let us know what’s wrong here and why.

      • Anonymous

        February 4, 2018

        What’s wrong with this article is that there is zero affirmation of anything. The article leans in with condemnation and criticism. There are aspects of Bill’s Johnson’s response that can be affirmed and this article is not an honest evaluation. Repent does mean to have God’s perspective on reality and that perspective is what causes us to turn from sin, confess, etc. You can’t repent without Truth. God’s perspective is the true perspective. I will not waste my time finding other things to affirm (Elijah and Elisha…MANTEL?? HMMM..Moses and Joshua…Mantel…Hmmm) because this author’s of this article had an agenda when it was written. Blah Blah Blah….I am so happy the author have squared the corners on Christianity and have the correct/only interpretation of Scripture, and defines who is in and who is out. Very arrogant, no humility, and not in the spirit of the God I serve. I have no issue with FAIR HUMBLE ASSESSMENTS….this is far from it.

  2. admin author

    February 5, 2018

    Hi Anonymous,

    Please read the article again. You mention that “There are aspects of Bill’s Johnson’s response that can be affirmed and this article is not an honest evaluation”.

    We wrote this, for instance : “We can only appreciate the fact that Bill Johnson recognizes that man is sinful and needs repentance. That is good to hear.”

    Regarding the mantels, there is a difference between the Old and New Testament. The Holy Spirit is now for every christian. You don’t find anthing close to a mantel in the NT.

    Several verses are about how the Holy Spirit gives according to His choice. There is no “transfer” from one to the other.

    1 Corinth. 12 is a good basis. There is no “special anointing” or “special anointed”. All christians are anointed, part of the body and the head of the body is Jesus. The message is clear, no part is more important than another.

    With respect, allow me to find your message not very loving.

    Please do some reseach on internet. You will find that this article shares the view of a lot of christians.

  3. Anonymous

    February 6, 2018

    Yes you do affirm (in passing). My apologies for not being loving. I ask your forgiveness. I simply prefer Jesus’ heart over other Christian views. As helpful articles are posted here they should be fair. If the article is about the interview…keep it about the interview. This article used the interview as a springboard to other comments and material making the interview seem untrustworthy and that the interview itself should not receive its own assessment. If you wanted to talk about Bill Johnson in general just do that. Don’t make him seem insincere in the interview with his comments.

  4. admin author

    February 6, 2018

    Hi Anonymous,

    Apologies accepted and if I hurt you, I also apologize.

    If you feel I make Bill Johnson insincere, you are right. It is what I want to demonstrate. Comparing what he says and the known facts, shows a difference.

    Just to take one, grave sucking. You find in the article several points that are not in line with the denial.

    Ben Fitzgerald was a Bethel leader (and still very close to Bethel), when he explained why they try to get the anointing of dead people. On the video (link in the article), he is with Bethel students.

    We find the same kind of “double talk” with the recent “Christ Alignement” debate. For instance this article : http://www.piratechristian.com/museum-of-idolatry/2017/12/kris-vallotton-runs-from-his-own-facebook-post.
    Kris Vallotton says in his first post : “Christians are now using “Christian Tarots Cards” (apparently called “Destiny Cards”) ” and so on.
    How can he be not aware that these Destiny Cards are used at Bethel, according to Theresa Dedmond (pastoral staff at Bethel) in a book prefaced by Bill Johnson.

    I also have just added a new post (was already available in french, I hope the translation is not too bad) : https://bewatchful.org/2015/11/28/deception-of-bill-johnson/

  5. Anonymous

    February 9, 2018

    I think its healthy to have a hard look at the facts and it is line with what the bible teaches us, that even the elect would be deceived if it were possible. It’s sad that someone said what is wrong is that there is zero affirmation. Jesus wasn’t always affirming. To those who were misrepresenting the kingdom of God (the pharisees) he rebuked them and it was to sinners who did not know the truth he appeared with love. I have always been struck by that, and that it is not often preached now. There is this Jesus being preached who is only loving and never angry at injustice and at hypocrisy and at people misrepresenting the kingdom of God, but Jesus in the bible did all those things. Its a half gospel being preached. Thanks for writing this article. I just had my own reaction to realising you have to pay to watch bethel tv and that there is a price to pay to hear the gospel. It is in the new testament that ananias and sapphira were stuck down. This always affirming God being preached takes away a healthy fear of God, which the bible says is the beginning of wisdom. Looking for the truth in a situation does not make you lack affirmation, it makes you want to be in truth and that is a principle that is line with who Jesus is. We are warned to look for false prophets and that we would know them by their fruit. Also the comment saying you need the Holy Spirit to know true discernment is true and it sounds like you do. To start that comment with an insult begs to question if the author was writing in the spirit or the flesh though. I thought it was an interesting article and was very measured. Thanks.

  6. Carl

    March 6, 2018

    Dear author,
    I just want to say thank you for your peaceful and humble tone in the comments section. I found it graceful and inspiring.

  7. Adam Beck

    March 23, 2018

    I stumbled upon this site in my ongoing quest for facts. I appreciate many of the facts stated here. However the overwhelmingly biased tone in which these facts are shared, along with a nonchalant and routine vacillation between fact and opinion; which forces the reader to make the tedious and vague distinction between the two, diminishes the credibility of the author, in my opinion. It’s unfortunate because there is missed potential here; and because the one who resorts to inflammatory accusations, often sacrifices the credibility born naturally of kindness by so doing. As is the case here, I believe.

    There are many people I disagree with theologically, some I feel even lead people astray. And I do agree with much (not all) of what I read on this site.

    Yet to dedicate a “ministry” to attacking these people is poor form, unattractive, unproductive, and dangerous ground. We have been given the ministry of reconciliation, according to Scripture. Let God be the Judge then of another’s servants. Let us therefore preach Christ and Him crucified; not proclaim others crucified for Christ’s sake.

    – Adam Beck
    Nashville, TN

    (I do not check the email I provided and consequently will not be made aware of any further replies on this thread. And I’ll not visit this site again to either read or reply to any further comments.)

  8. admin author

    March 23, 2018

    Adam,

    Thanks for your message, but it would help if you would provide some examples.

    If facts are missing, let us know which ones you would like to see.

    Quotes are clearly highlighted.

    We have to let God judges the heart, but He asks us to examine teachings. There are multiple warnings in the NT regarding false prophets, teachers and so on.

    You seem to agree that some people leads other astray. The purpose of this site is to encourage people to read the Bible and stay on a solid ground.

    Don’t worry, we don’t use e-mail addresses, they are not even mandatory.

  9. Anonymous

    April 19, 2018

    Wow, I’m taken note of this site to not drift to it again

  10. Ann

    April 19, 2018

    we are to exspose deeds of darkness. call them out. Church read your Bible. Be not deceive . Many in the church are a sleep. Wake up church. We are living in the last days. The sings of the times are everywhere. The Bible says except there come a falling away than the end will come. Thank you for standing on the truth. Judgement must begin at the house of God. We are not to have fellowship with darkness. Read your Bible. Watch and Pray Jesus said.

  11. Mark Kennicott

    April 23, 2018

    Thank you for this article. Frankly, I think you were more generous with Johnson than his comments deserve. As a Pentecostal pastor, I am alarmed at the amount of nonsense that passes for Christian thinking these days. We need a revival of the Word of God in our midst, and a fear of God that causes us to once more tremble at His Word (Isa. 66:2). We need people who will fall in love with Jesus, and seek His face more than we seek His blessings. He is the prize!

  12. Matthew

    April 23, 2018

    Thank you for this article. It is well presented and thoughtfully written. Your responses to the various comments are also encouraging. Thank you again.

  13. Brik

    April 24, 2018

    This was an excellent, factual article that many need to read to be warned of the serious dangers and deceptions among charismatic Christians. Deceiving spirits and practices going on in Charismatic circles are counterfeit signs and wonders from grave sucking to holy laughter, holy barking, glitter falling from heaven, the angel Emma. The bible even warns that in the last days the elect might almost be deceived. This is connected to the same people who are part of the New Apostolic Reformation and the 7 mountains of C Peter Wagner in thinking they can create the kingdom of heaven on earth and take over the land, almost makes me think it will be connected to the antichrist and false prophets to come. Its basically sorcery and witchcraft, and not the spirit of God. The bible in nowhere indicates the world will become paradise on earth until after the tribulation when Jesus physically comes down to earth and rules with an iron rod. It also tells us that many will come in the last days who will be false prophets and teach falsehoods with signs and wonders. Interesting how some who are being deceived by this get very angry, vindictive, and hateful. I’ve personally known people who have reacted the same way. This is not the spirit of God leading them. Some demonic spirit gets really upset when people are told the truth. If it was God’s spirit they would react with self control, love, kindness and humility as the author of this article demonstrated in responding to the commenters.

  14. Jon Michael Loyy

    April 24, 2018

    Bill Johnson, is in my opinion one of the best teachers presently in the Kingdom of God. Yet, it is said that he doesn’t want to police people….which only perpetuates the false notion that the police somehow by enforcing standards (law) is not a good thing. I’ll admit that “enforce” is a tad bit strong. Keeping the flies out of the anointing oil…is our responsibilty. ”

    Because Bill is a loving, caring man of God, he doesn’t go around slapping people, tellng them to get it right wife and daughter in law….flipping whackjobs! They are a huge emnarrassment to the Kingdom of God. Ifee. sorry for Bill and his son. The “wakey wakey” expression for wakng up the angels is utterly ignorant and very stupid. No intelligence there.

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